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Monday, January 23, 2006

Paradise Regained

I have a sneaking suspicion that classic 5x5 is going to win out just for lack of a solidified opposition. instead of just running, we need to get our reasons straight for not wanting to be statavistic (my word). that said, i'd like to consolidate the mixed roto advocates, even the partisan "even more nihilistic" voting bloc (moacir). what do we like, stat-wise? why, etc?

now, before this degenerates into the standard free for all in the comments and people start getting angry/intolerant (i look forward to the intolerance), let me say this: at the end of the day, all we're doing is deciding which numbers to use for this. it's not personal, it's not political, just numbers. that said, whether or not to be sabermetric/progressive is both personal and political and i will cry for days if we use wins. i won't be happy, but i will survive. unhappily. actually who gives a shit, it's just numbers. it might be enjoyable if we did something non-standard, just for the additional thought that will go into drafting, but at the same time, it's not like 5x5 isn't subtle enough. i just hate market inefficiencies/the free market itself because i am neofeudalist

2 comments:

ptb said...

TB, as scored, doesn't count BB, HBP or stolen bases, it just counts 4*home runs + 3*triples + 2*doubles + singles. which means if we use total bases, we definitely need OB% or OPS to make walks realistically valuable, and obviously there's some work to do on whether or not "realistic value" is the goal, but anyway.

the primary reason that i'm anti-classic, anti-team-dependent is that if a player is traded, or has a key teammate get injured, or gets moved in the batting order, you (the fantasy owner) essentially have had a differently-valued player with the same name forced on you, for better or worse. now, of course, a player might start to hit a little bit differently if he gets traded or otherwise altered (park affects, matchups, different league, hookers and blow, etc), but his skills/fantasy value aren't funadmentally changed by trade, moving in the batting order, that sort of "act of god." that's IF you avoid team-dependent stats. it helps me to reason out why i don't want classic 5x5.

that said: TB is a great stat. a home run is still highly valuable, just not recockulously so, to borrow a moacir-ism. at the same time, shouldn't four run-scoring singles be worth more than a solo home run? that's hard to reconcile, statistically, without using RBI. ultimately, i think we have to admit there's no such thing as fantasy clutch.

i'm still in the same bind -- i appreciate the argument that one-dimensional stats are silly (steals and especially saves). at the same time, steals are always hilarious. saves i would gladly discard in favor of a nouvelle pitching arrangment: something like, ER, K, WHIP, IP (i'm telling you, Innings Pitched is a good stat. There's no way to pile up a cheap IP without Xing up all your other stats) and maybe K per 9 as well as a nod to keeping/establishing value for relief pitchers.

Anybody with me on IP?

ptb said...

my dream batting stat pack:
TB, OBP, BB to K (oh yes), Caught Stealing (neg stat). Maybe K as a neg counting stat and BB as a counting stat. (this may be the most feminist fantasy baseball idea ever... fuck the phallocentric HR/stolen base rape fantasy... bring in the metaphorically ripe strikeou)